Gone Swimming?

Critiques [Translate]

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• KrL (7367)
• [2008-09-11 11:20]

Bonjour Liliana,
WaoW quelle force avec ce traitement d'image.
Sympa cette perspective offerte par la mer et les nuages associés.
Pour l'encadrement, le blanc me convient parfaitement, il est appaisant.
Bonne journée

Karèle

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• tanburi (38000)
• [2008-09-11 11:22]
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Hello Liliana,
Impressive clouds.Good technique.
İs it HDR?
TFS
Selahattin E

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• Kli (2000)
• [2008-09-11 11:25]

Bonjour Liliana,
Beaucoup d'intensité !
Ce bleu sombre et la perspective des nuages, beaucoup de force !
Ces silhouettes habillent juste comme il faut cet ensemble lumineux et très attrayant. :) Bravo.
Amicalement.

Pascalie.

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• taftabit (5036)
• [2008-09-11 11:32]

Hello Liljana
this is a most beautiful sky ..... lovely light and shadows
great composed
best regards
T

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• jan515 (17484)
• [2008-09-11 11:49]

Wow, what a amanzing light dear Lili,In English

that is romantic and beautiful scenery.

Regards.
Janusz

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• yetis_bey (534)
• [2008-09-11 11:55]

Wonderful sky,lovely composition.
Congratulation,
best regards
Hikme

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• CallMeMaria (18703)
• [2008-09-11 12:02]
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Hi Liliana,
Very beautiful presentation and POV with such an amazing glow on the water! Fabulous colors and sharpness.
Your link "black frame" takes us to the gallery...have you noticed?
TFS
Regards,
Lurdes

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• ChuFer (2439)
• [2008-09-11 12:15]

muy conseguido contraluz con un cielo casi irreal..

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• ade71 (2812)
• [2008-09-11 12:19]

Hi Liliana, you made an excellent work!
I like your post-processing.
Well done!
Adele

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• glint (3606)
• [2008-09-11 12:25]
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Hello Liliana,
I like the play of light and shadow here.Nicely composed with a canvas full of clouds which are dramatic looking. Perhaps you should tell us what PP work you carried out to produce this attracive posting.
regards
Bev

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• MagdalenaN (6490)
• [2008-09-11 12:44]

Zdravo Liliana
amazing sky with wonderful lightness, great place, so warm, nice and quaiet, I like Your POV, wonderful, romantic mood, well done
have a good night
Magda

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• kickback (11323)
• [2008-09-11 12:56]

hi lili, neat shot, love the sky and overall composition, looks like an amzing place,
tfs,
scott

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• juyona (15457)
• [2008-09-11 13:38]

Hola Lili,
original compo.
sorprendentes efectos en las nubes,
buenos colores y pov.
buena creación.
saludos

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• sela (3758)
• [2008-09-11 13:41]

Liliana, this is perfect work. Bravo!
Regards Rose

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• Emma (10153)
• [2008-09-11 13:55]

Hello Liliana,

a wonderful area and that you showed super here.Beautiful light and contrast.
Regards.
Eva

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• boonie (7679)
• [2008-09-11 14:50]

Hi Liliana
Two decisions make this picture to me - 1. you choice of a very low POV and 2. making the sky the major player. Couple thos with the way you hadled the lighting and it's a WOW.

Dan

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• Scharan2 (4839)
• [2008-09-11 14:55]

Olá Liliana

Que céu espetacular, ele só já faz o show!
Lindas cores e composição esmerada...meus parabéns pelo trabalho.
Grande abraço,
Vera

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• brunorsantana (5324)
• [2008-09-11 14:59]

Hello, Liliana!

This is a really wonderful presentation!! The sky is amazing!! Nice composition indeed!!
Everything´s great here... light, colors,
sharpness... Congratulations and TFS!!

Greetings from Brazil,
Bruno

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• EOSF1 (20485)
• [2008-09-11 15:48]

Hello Liliana, Well composed shot and good choice of pp. Great light, thanks!

Mario

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• Beger (19960)
• [2008-09-11 21:58]

Hi Liliana,
WOW! Superb sky! Your post-processing are impeccably done , here! It enhance the strong light and give a dramatic and hyperrealist mood! I like that! Bravo! Annie

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• jone (29390)
• [2008-09-11 22:37]

Bravo Lili ;)))
Like somewhere in the space...
Fantastic view,
All the best,
J ;)

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• tsesler (6301)
• [2008-09-11 22:45]

Hi Liliana,
just an excellent compo indeed,
wonderful light and silhouettes here,
i really love the technique you used,
great work as always,
welldone my dear friend and tfs,
regards,
Taner

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• macromania (8764)
• [2008-09-11 22:54]

Wow awsome sky Liliana... great work.

Regards Mark :)

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• germma (38)
• [2008-09-11 23:44]

Wonderfull image Liliana,
great effect...I like it!
TFS

Have a nice weekend!

Igor

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• zms (0)
• [2008-09-12 0:43]

Good morning Liliana,
What a stunning capture.
Beautiful
TFS
Have a very nice day
Friendly Greetings
Rosa

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• Redrubin (0)
• [2008-09-12 0:45]

Hi Liliana
impressive effect in this hot
sky is really wonderful and light so strong
very good ciao
Lucio

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• mikolaj_cava (30286)
• [2008-09-12 1:11]

Hello Liliana! Amazing picture. Fantastic clouds. Mysterious lightness and original shadow. Good POV and capture. Very good composition. Superb effect. Well done!

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• melanysherden (2638)
• [2008-09-12 1:52]

Hi Liliana
Excellent POV. Marvelous nature. Excellent composition and central motiv
Best wishes my friend
Melany

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• josediogo1958 (3206)
• [2008-09-12 2:30]

Bom dia Liliana
Outstanding capture.Amazing sky.Wonderful POV and colours.Thanks.
Have a wonderful weekend!
Friendly greetings
J.Diogo

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• WhiteKnight (7802)
• [2008-09-12 3:19]

Very nice scene... I like the dramatic burning in off the sky and clouds. Also the sand on the beach...
Nice work, good photo.
Cheers
DAvid

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• subs (2080)
• [2008-09-12 7:23]

HI Liliana,
What a dramatic landscape! Your PP work is marvelous. Love the clouds and how you've used the lighting.
Regards,
Subashini

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• techranger (536)
• [2008-09-12 7:26]

WOW... very dramatic shot of the coastline... well composed and processed. TFS Lilana... :) I like the black frame in the WS.

Larry

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• nicou (21245)
• [2008-09-12 8:55]

Hello

Houaa quel ciel fabuleux, cet effet de nuages avec la mer, la plages, ce bâteau, quelle belle compo, félicitation.

Bravo et amitié

Nicou

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• mvdisco (36114)
• [2008-09-12 9:08]

Hi Liliana,
WoW ! What a great sky!!
Beautiful picture and landscape nicely composed and presented, great place and excellent POV. and details, Belle perpective and I like it.
My compiments
Michel

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• jvachon (3484)
• [2008-09-12 9:14]

hello Lili,
A wonderful play of light and shadow here with very dramatic clouds in such a well composed shot. .
personally, I like the white frame.
have a good weekend,
Joni

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• cobra112 (6646)
• [2008-09-12 11:20]

Ciao Liliana. Una foto d'eccezione. Prospettigva favolosa e agrandissima drammaticità del cielo. Gran lavoro in PP.

Roberto

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• tnahari (10348)
• [2008-09-12 12:29]

Dear Lili
wonderful capture of this low sky with amazing texture of clouds.
great composition and splendid tones. a very artistic presentation.
compliments
tsilla

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• biso (113)
• [2008-09-12 13:41]

waw, very dynamic sky

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• bucanas (15282)
• [2008-09-12 17:00]

Hi Liliana,
Excellent composition,interesting lighting.
Best regards,
Ralf

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• machinelove (16011)
• [2008-09-12 17:05]

An amazing processing job Liliana.
The sky is just alive and mesemerizing.
Great low POV, excellent shot.
- Vincent

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• Tamtidelam (2676)
• [2008-09-13 2:43]

Wouawww!
Quel ciel fantastique!!!
Wonderful capture and perspective Lili.
Vraiment incroyable...
Bravo,
Dany

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• abettine (2034)
• [2008-09-13 4:27]

Bonjour Liliana
De très jolies couleurs et une perspective plus que superbe. Une photo lumineuse !
Cordialement,
Antoine.

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• korbee (13715)
• [2008-09-13 6:53]

good use of the backlight,you keept the details very well Lili.
jan

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• vangenius (5330)
• [2008-09-13 9:12]

Ciao Lili,
frumoasa prelucrare. Ai dat fotografie, peisajului, ceva dramatic. Interesant si acest punct de vedere. Bravo.

Un vichendel fain,
Chris

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• ioana_tm (13305)
• [2008-09-13 10:44]

Buna Lili,
frumos concediu ai avut :)
Superba plaja. Tare fain ai scos in evidenta cerul.
frumoasa si incadrarea. Cat despre rama, imi plac amadoua :)
Un WE minunat iti doresc.
Ioana

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• yamataraja (6755)
• [2008-09-13 18:05]

Hello Liliana
Very good post-processing. I like the contrastedd sky and the sihouetted elements on the beach.
Nicely done
Serge

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• crisgotiny (3665)
• [2008-09-14 4:38]

very cool shot, dramatic clouds very good pp.

cris(",)

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• cunejo200 (17723)
• [2008-09-14 6:37]

Hi Liliana,
The incredible well formed clouds are the highlights of this well presented scene. Lovely pp work and good technique. Best regards, Danilo

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• gunershot (20536)
• [2008-09-14 11:46]

Hi Liliana,
Wonderful shiny sky and beautiful clouds...
Nice colours and good clarity.tfs.
Dr.Seyfettin Güner

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• Ber (4660)
• [2008-09-14 12:30]

Hello Liliana,
Very impressive clouds. this is a most beautiful sky and lovely light and shadows
regards

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• hay_kes (57527)
• [2008-09-14 12:30]

Hi Lili,
What an elegant composition vıth very moody clody sky.TFS.
Cheers,

hAyAti

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• Refugee (25542)
• [2008-09-14 14:35]

Interesting processing Lili which has produce a good high key image. Well composed and presented, the white frame for me,
David

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• k-2 (3541)
• [2008-09-14 20:06]

The strong contrasts work well. This might even work with B&W. I like the black frame in the WS even better. TFS. Karin

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• sorinabal (7238)
• [2008-09-15 8:09]

Super cerul si aici, Lili! Imi place prelucrarea, arata perfect atat cu rama alba, cat si cu cea neagra. De asemenea compozitia e minunata.
Te pup,
Sorina

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• Doudou (5835)
• [2008-09-15 9:27]

Bonjour Lili,

Waouh, quel ciel fantastique tout en lumière et en relief par ce jeu de nuages et cette luminosité se reflètant sur la mer!!!
Joli jeu d'ombres chinoises!!
Amitiés
Odile

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• Royaldevon (16524)
• [2008-09-15 11:46]

Hello Lili,

You have been experimenting well lately!

Although the kayak grabs first attention , it is the drama of the sky which hold it longest!

Kind regards,
Bev :-)

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• Leica (2147)
• [2008-09-15 15:34]

Beautiful! Lovely work.

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• Liberty (5785)
• [2008-09-15 18:04]

Hello Lili :)

Beautiful scene here. I like the dramatic sky. Well composed and well presented. TFS

Josée

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• pozaru (19132)
• [2008-09-15 22:48]

Superba scena !
fain PP !

v

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• emanuela (1013)
• [2008-09-16 1:02]

hi Lili, what an amazing view, the clouds are so impressive and the light... very good capture.
your post processing is excellent gives drama to the scene.
wonderful composition, very summery!
bye
emanuela

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• Silvio2006 (42941)
• [2008-09-16 11:07]

Ciao Lili, splendido cielo, magnifica composizione con la barca in primo piano, brava, ciao Silvio

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• hderin (1482)
• [2008-09-16 16:07]

Hi Liliana,

This is great work... Wonderful photograph... Light and shadows, colours excellent... Congratulations!

Warm regards :)

Haluk Derinöz

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• Urfaust (13181)
• [2008-09-16 23:42]

ciao Liliana..
it's really corious beacause i'll be trasfered at Pesaro at the end of this month! and it will be my home for the next 3 years!! ;)))
wonderful effect.. beautiful taste of summer!! intensity of this image is great!! many thanks
ciao Marco

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• trekks (13641)
• [2008-09-17 9:22]

hi Lili

Very interesting strong graphic effect to the beach scene in bright light. I am not a fan of HPP work but you have done a good job to show the power of the sun for photography.

White frame is my choice.

tfs, bill

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• joopschotsman (5549)
• [2008-09-17 13:06]

Hi Lili,
What a super super b sky you had !!
And what a lots of depth in this image. Great job done.
greetings,
Joop!

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• WMcK (6837)
• [2008-09-17 15:37]

I like the effect the white frame gives to the image, personally, Liliana. I am just playing catch up on everyone from my absence and I see I have missed a few of yours. This one really appeals to me and I honestly can’t say why. Yes you have all the technical things correct, but there is some other wonderful quality about it I don’t have the experience to put into words. Let me just say WONDERFUL.
Warmest Regards
Wanda

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• MLINES (8516)
• [2008-09-17 16:09]

Hi Liliana, Very fine ambiance flows from this composition. The clouds, the waves and the people strolling on the beach come together well. TFS. Murray.

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• isa (4147)
• [2008-09-17 17:13]

Hi Liliana!
Wonderful place, fantastic lansdcape.
Beautiful edition. I like the white frame.
Congratulations for the job,

Best Regards,
Isa

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• Hendrika (19218)
• [2008-09-18 2:35]

Ji Lili.

Indeed I recognised that name.

What a great POV - wide and light view you have here.
The choise for a white frame seems right to me, maybe if it would have been a rainy day the black would make more sense - it's just a feeling.

TFS
Els

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• mortcdz (53)
• [2008-09-18 15:23]
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Really effective PP work which has created a very dramatic effect - I love the energy that seems to come from that sky! Great stuff!
Thanks for sharing
Mark

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• lucaq8 (114)
• [2008-09-19 10:05]
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What a beautiful landscape...
The sky is dramatically perfect and the subject is original for this kind of picture.

Very good work.
I love it!
Ciao
Luca

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• gnada (21699)
• [2008-09-20 6:50]
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Hi Liliana...
Great art photo...
Wonderful composition, colors and feelings,
Color tones is very appropriate here with this photo.
Well done...
Rgd. George

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• ARGI (1139)
• [2008-09-22 0:44]
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One of your best Lili.......SUPERB composition.
Wonderful colors especialy the marvelous sky.
I like the strong and calm atmoshpere.
My congratulations
best regards
Argyris

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• rminkow (15732)
• [2008-09-22 7:26]
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HI Lili..nice strong image..well composed...great work.

Roger

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• norenastramus (23336)
• [2008-09-22 8:38]
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Hello Lili,
Excellent colorful and beautiful tones, magnificent firing.Great composition.Well done.TFS.
Greetings
H.Ayhan.
:)

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• Koala (4023)
• [2008-09-23 3:56]
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Super :D:D:D
Foarte interesant, cerul arata superb.

O zi buna!

alexandra

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• anducina (8257)
• [2008-09-23 5:49]
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Intr-o buna zi trebuie sa imi explici si mie cum obtii efectele astea superspectaculoase cu filtrul ala polarizant--nu de alta, dar eu deocamdata nu reuseusc. Excelent, dramatic, deosebit--norii, marea, siluetele.
Toate cele bune,
A.

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• denizler (11434)
• [2008-09-23 11:53]

Hi lili,
Perfect clouds.Very beautiful colours and compo.Congrats!!!
Best Regards,
Deniz:)

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• gracestout2008 (1982)
• [2008-09-23 15:42]

Your composition is great and you have great perspective. Color tones are fantastic.
GRACE

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• lrw1966 (0)
• [2008-09-24 8:23]

Liliana Hi:
Marvelous composition and very artistically composed and presented
Wonderful colors and details of beautiful Nature
Congratulations, very nicely done
Larry
USA-tfs

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• harpya (10106)
• [2008-09-24 10:49]

Hello Liliana


I could swear that this picture had a light HDR
I can see that it is here natural everything!
Excellent look of this beautiful place!
Only this sky is already worth your picture!
Congratulations!

Sérgio

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• Enzo63 (361)
• [2008-09-24 22:17]

Hi Liliana
Great POV and beautiful sky
Wonderful Light and details

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• XOTAELE (8774)
• [2008-09-25 11:07]

Hola Lili.
Fantástica imagen, con una excelente exposición.
Buenos detalles.
Saludos, JL.


Mi Blog

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• Janone (0)
• [2008-09-30 4:14]

Hello Liliana.
Excellent ART looking picture you took and worked on.
Very 'beyond the obvious'.
Thanks for showing.
Bet wishes from Jan

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• wieyos (9008)
• [2008-09-30 7:18]

a very stunning skyscape, perfectly captured and a PP well done! congratulations, Lili

TFS
regards
Agoes

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• cinca (4452)
• [2008-09-30 13:48]

Ciao Liliana, il tuo pp work ha un effetto veramente forte! le nuvole, cariche di energia, sembrano correre veloci verso il bg e contrastano con la staticità della silhouette della barca. Bel lavoro!
ciao, cinzia

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• eosnut (10181)
• [2008-10-03 17:33]

Hi Lili,
What a stunning sky, just beautiful. The silhouetted boat and people are the perfect base. Well done.
I do prefer the black frame in the WS though.
My kind regards,
Pete.

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• Dawn (17538)
• [2008-10-04 19:26]

Wonderful shot Liliana, the sky in this one draws my eye to it, with the wonderful shapes to the clouds and the feeling of a storm maybe brewing. Nicely composed with the boat on the right. I like your WS/black frame the best, thanks for showing the two.

Kind regards
Dawn

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• black_dream (4699)
• [2008-10-08 9:26]
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Excelent dramatism conferit prin post-procesarea imaginii! Superba compozitie, ambele variante - rama alba/neagra - sunt potrivite imaginii.
Felicitari!
Toate cele bune, multumesc pentru comentariu si imi cer scuze pentru intarzierea raspunsului, am avut o gramada pe cap in ultima vreme, si prea putin timp pentru TL.
Sa auzim de bine,
Diana
p.s. grozav ca imi aminteste de melodiile cantate de A-HA!

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• thor68 (4536)
• [2008-10-09 4:42]
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amazing clouds! :-) i do not know what kind of PP you did, but the effect is terrific. the lighting and overall atmosphere
is very tense. superb job & best wishes from cologne, thor.
ps. i like the white frame more.

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• chrysalis (323)
• [2008-10-11 3:38]
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This intense tone-mapping suits only a few kinds of images, and this is one of them. I noticed you do the same with a lot of other of your images, and, frankly, I think it doesn't work at all well. Especially with the portraits, I think it distorts them severely.

Well...Each to his own...

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• szatanowska (2997)
• [2008-10-15 4:28]

ciao Liliana !

cool POV and framing!
lovely clouds makes impression of huge falling sky..
well done
Kisses from Italy

Ania

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• drackness (3722)
• [2008-10-20 14:46]

just a wonderfoul image!!, the contrast!!! the color!!! all here is great!!, i love it!!!... TFS... great!!!

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• boomcat (16869)
• [2008-10-31 15:50]

i noticed immediately your beautiful sky, lili.. very lovely pp work making this simple shot at the beach look dramatic.. excellent work..

if me very difficult to choose also after looking at your dark frame.. the moody atmosphere is much deeper with the dark frame.. both special in their own way.. :)

cheers, terry

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• AleksaSrbin (17800)
• [2008-11-04 9:47]

:)
Wonderful work my friend!Nice shot!Regards.
A.

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• dbp (4079)
• [2008-11-08 1:33]

hi Liliana
great shot with beautiful clouds composition.
very impresive pic and great dof.
great pp work.
I like the w.frame.
thanks for your nice comment on
"REDy".
best regards.
David

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• elenarv (394)
• [2008-12-02 12:03]

Breathtaking result. Amazing use of light, colors, presentation. I think it's one of your best, though I simply can't decide with all this amazing shots
thank you for sharing
Kind regards
Elena

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• OeilMagique (28)
• [2008-12-03 13:11]

Hi Liliana
Great POV of the beach with the boat in foreground and the very
beautiful clouds. I see you use Photoscape for PP work, it is a great
and fun program. Very beautiful work.

Paul

I prefer the one presented with the white frame....the black is not bad ...

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• thepachita (267)
• [2008-12-05 23:43]

excelenta prelucrare, are dramatism, felicitari!
anca

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• zumoduvas (3288)
• [2008-12-14 1:53]

Hello Liliana.

Excellent picture, nice composition and colors.
Fantastic.

Regards.
JOse Luis.

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• jazrr (1883)
• [2008-12-20 8:51]

Hi Liliana:
What a beautiful seascape. Excellent composition and beautiful clouds. Nice PP work.
Happy New Year.
Regards,
Jafar

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• Nikas (1970)
• [2008-12-20 16:49]

Hi!

Amazing sky, love the point of view!!

Well donne

Mery christmas!
Ana

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• colvert (4056)
• [2008-12-23 0:02]

bonjour Liliana
a very strong picture with amazing clouds.Very good POV and HPP
Merry Christmas and New Year for you and yours Lliana

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• Alice_40 (3438)
• [2008-12-23 3:48]

Hi Liliana
Beautiful clouds on the blue sky!
Fantastic view, great compo


Merry Christmas to you !

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• ErikSven (2301)
• [2009-01-14 6:11]

Hello Liliana,
First of all, I prefer the black frame, but the white one doesn't alter your photo (IMO, the black frame gives even more depth to your picture).
The sky is a real eye-catcher here, not only because it occupies 3/4 of your picture, but also because of the heavy contrast boost you did. These contrasts have the same interesting impact on the other 1/4 of the picture and contribute to create a strong overall mood (like when you have to half close your eyes against the sun and you are only able to see silhouettes).
Nice and creative work...
TFS & kind regards,
Erik

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• Victor (3388)
• [2009-01-26 13:49]

Hi Liliana;
Wow...
Wonderful sky,lovely composition and excellent pp work.
Regards
Victor

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• SergionrSilva (1652)
• [2009-02-04 15:31]

Hello lili
Great picture.
Excellent composition.
Bravo
sergio

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• marietom (286)
• [2009-03-12 10:51]

Bonsoir Liliana,

cette lumière est fantastique ! superbe paysage.
Bonne soirée
Marie

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• carifuna07 (1230)
• [2009-04-08 22:20]

Hi!!
Very nice place and great HPP effect!!! Love it!!! Give more deephless!!!
Great job, and for the frame this choise is the better!
TFS< Best regards! Carine

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• valeski (126)
• [2009-05-01 2:45]

Hi Lili,

love the ambience of your picture, with a lot of pathos due of the great sky and your good PP work.
Bella foto!

Ciao

Vale

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• clic (4714)
• [2009-05-26 15:20]

Thanks for your kind words, Liliana
An explosion happened in the stratosphere, so that clouds appear to speed out of frame!
Fascinating overall cold tones and black zombies that suggest some kind of life on another planet!
Au revoir.
Robert

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• erbiloguz (1464)
• [2009-06-06 22:39]

Hi Lili,
You catched wonderful time for shot.
So fantastic. Nice sky and colors also inordinary nice...
Erbil

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• Travelcam (10171)
• [2009-06-24 3:37]

Hello Lili,

HOw are you?

THis photo is electrifying. THe light on those clouds is amazing. Captivating effect and the boat in the FG looks great on the beach giving a silhoette.

Well photographed and presented. Well done! TFS.

Martyn

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• daisydaisy (9319)
• [2009-07-06 7:30]

Hello Lili

What a terrific sky !!!!!
Fantastic shot with a beautiful atmosphere.
Wonderful HPP Work. WOW !

Lovely presentation as usual with a perfect frame.
Compliments

Kind regards

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• fransistor (135)
• [2009-10-17 6:44]

Great great great sky. The cold colours, the big sky and the sea realize a beautiful ideal contrast with the little "lifeboat".
Wonderful.
Francesco

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• Zandell (904)
• [2009-11-20 8:43]

Hi Liliana

I like both versions with presentation.

most of all I like the result of PP..

It's like a picture for some "Glossy Magazine"

great work.