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Copyright: Hans Spruijt (GreenBaron) Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 3205 W: 949 N: 11521] (49127)
Genre: Places
Medium: Color
Date Taken: 2007-08-08
Categories: Architecture
Camera: Nikon D70s, SIGMA 28-70mm F2.8-4, Hitachi4GBMicrodrive, Hama 58mm circular polarizer
Exposure: f/13.0, 1/250 seconds
Photo Version: Original Version
Theme(s): Dutch windmills [view contributor(s)]
Date Submitted: 2007-09-06 9:05
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Points: 58
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Typical Dutch...

Except from windmills, the language, drop and clogs...we Dutch have more typical things to offer:

Dutch people

The Dutch people [Dutch: Nederlanders] are an ethnic group forming the majority of the population in the Netherlands. Historically the Dutch chiefly lived in the Low Countries and Northern France but since the 12th century have migrated all over the world.

They predominantly descend from various Germanic tribes, and speak Dutch, a Germanic language.

The Dutch region has been permanently inhabited since Neolithic times. Nevertheless the Dutch mainly descend from 7th-century immigrants, the Franks, who arrived and settled in the Low Countries during the migration period. They arose from relative obscurity when the former Burgundian Netherlands, for political, religious, and cultural reasons, revolted against Europe's most powerful nation, Habsburg Spain, in what became a struggle for independence lasting eighty years (1568-1648).

The Dutch emerged victorious and established the first truly independent Dutch state in history: the Dutch Republic, which would soon manifest itself as one of Europe's Great Powers and have complete naval dominance for nearly a century.

During the age of Imperialism the Dutch Empire controlled 3.7 million km² of the earth's surface and had a total of 80,000,000 inhabitants in 1940

Today, Dutchmen and their descendants can be found all over the world, most notably in Europe, the Americas, Southern Africa and Oceania. Ranging from (near) completely assimilated to isolated communities.

Going Dutch is a slang term that means that each person eating at a restaurant or paying admission for entertainment pays for himself or herself, rather than one person paying for everyone. It is also called Dutch date and Dutch Treat.

Contents
1 Etiquette
2 Etymology
3 Feminist support for Dutch date practice
4 Opposition to Dutch Practice
5 International practices
6 See also
7 References



Etiquette
There is a delicate etiquette surrounding going Dutch. It may be accepted in some situations, such as between non-intimate friends or less affluent people, but considered stingy in other circumstances, such as on a romantic date or at a business lunch.

The traditional way to handle a bill on a date in the West has been that the one who invited the other (traditionally, nearly always the man) takes the bill and the invitee may not even know the actual price of the meal. Some restaurants keep ladies' menus without prices.


Etymology
The phrase "going Dutch" probably originates from Dutch etiquette. In the Netherlands, it is not unusual to pay separately when going out as a group. When dating in a 1 on 1 situation however, the man will most commonly pay for meals and drinks. English rivalry with The Netherlands especially during the period of the Anglo-Dutch Wars [citation needed] gave rise to several phrases including Dutch that promote certain negative stereotypes. Examples include Dutch courage, Dutch uncle and Dutch wife. The particular stereotype associated with this usage is the idea of Dutch people as ungenerous and selfish.

In Spain, "going Dutch" is attributed to Catalans, due to a stereotype that they are greedy. A stereotypical non-Catalan Spaniard would compete to pay the bill for the group.

In Italy, the expression pagare alla romana can be translated as: "To pay like people of Rome" or "to pay like they do in Rome". It has the same meaning as "going Dutch".

Some South American countries use the Spanish phrase pagar a la americana (literally "To pay American style") which refers to a trait attributed to people from the U.S.A. or Canada.

In Argentina specifically, 'a la romana' (exact translation of Italian's 'pagare alla romana') is widely used and 'pagar a la americana' (pay American style) doesn't exist. [citation needed]

The gambling term dutching may follow this same route as it describes a system that shares stakes across a number of bets. It is commonly believed, however, that the Dutch reference here was in fact derived from a gangster (Dutch Schultz) who used this strategy to profit from racing.


Feminist support for Dutch date practice
During the advent of second wave feminism, the late 1960s and 1970s, the women's movement encouraged women to understand aspects of their own personal lives as deeply politicized. Many feminists investigated the framework and assumptions of traditional courtship roles. They subscribed to the idea that there should be equality of the sexes, not just legally, but socially and sexually.

They thought that it was mature, empowering and self-respecting for women to pay their own way in romantic dates. They were rejecting traditional gender role assumptions that men should make more money and should pay for affections through dinners and the rest of costs of dates. In this way, women were making an equal investment in the cost of courtship.

It became more common for women to pay their own way, or to pay for men's meals. Some women were offended if their male dining partner "grabbed the check."

Many women still see the financial value of the 'tradition' for the man to pay for meals in relationships.


Opposition to Dutch Practice
Since the 1990s, some women have abandoned 1970s feminism's ideals for equality of gender roles and relationships. Some have reverted to adopting traditional, that is, unequal views of the courting relationship, and assumptions about men's responsibility to spend money to express affection. The feminist view point is that the other result of this is the creation of a debt or a feeling that female now 'owes' the male something, redeemable through the offering of sexual favours. Women began to chose not to put themselves in this position and thus empowered themselves by paying their own way.[1] [2]

Social custom also varies among same-sex couples. Most often, it is the inviter or the one whose financial situation most lends him or her to pay who does so. The lack of rigid tradition, however, leaves no widely adopted custom.


International practices
In Sweden, the practice of splitting the bill in restaurants is common. In a courtship situation where both parts have a similar financial standing, which is commonplace in Sweden, the traditional custom of the man always paying in restaurants has largely fallen out of use and is by many, including etiquette authorities, considered old fashioned. Generally a romantic couple will take turns paying the bill or split it. It is generally assumed that everyone pays for himself or herself in restaurants unless the invitation stated otherwise.

In Britain, the practice of splitting the bill is common. On a dinner date, the man may pay the bill as way of overtly stating that he views this as a romantic situation and that he has some hopes or expectations for a future development. Some women find this offensive (per Feminist support for Dutch date practice above) so it is a judgment call. (Text: Wikipedia.com)
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post card stuff here hans :)
composition and colors are beautiful
thanks for sharing

koh

Hello Mr Baron ;-)

looovely posting today, beautiful POV, and as for the notes.. well my friend what an education I am gaining on TL

Nice work Hans :-)

TFS regards Helen

Beautiful. Excellent sharpness and details.
A lovely quit place
TFS
Piet

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  • Tomek Gold Star Critiquer/Silver Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 1318 W: 47 N: 2926] (16832)
  • [2007-09-06 9:59]

Hello Hans:)))
Great classic Dutch view - every detail is just so nice here and your note very good informing - well done!!! - greetings, Tom

Hello My friend,
Lovely composition and good shot.Great idea and presentation.Well done Hans.TFS
Greetings.

H.Ayhan

hi hans, a nice shot with great composition, does look like a typical wonderful dutch scene, thanks for sharing, take care, scott

Hi Hans,
Nice shot, nice POV, good colours and sharpness, with an interesting note.
Tfs Andy

Bonjour Hans, très belle photo de ce moulin Hollandais,
la composition est admirable et parfaitement encadrée,
bravo,
Pat

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  • baran Gold Star Critiquer/Silver Note Writer [C: 94 W: 0 N: 13] (797)
  • [2007-09-06 12:30]

great shot
bravo
Sarah

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  • Janice Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 3273 W: 268 N: 7764] (33146)
  • [2007-09-06 13:01]
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Interesting notes to read Hans - and now to look at your picture!!
Oh yes, this is the Holland we learnt about at school - the water and low lands and the windmills. But not the 4x4 car! Very picturesque and it would make a good postcard, TFS
Janice

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  • ttreen Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 1412 W: 130 N: 3837] (15946)
  • [2007-09-06 13:14]
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Hey Hans...
1st ? why the ramp coming from the windmill to the water? Sorry no Dutch blood here!

But the photo is very nice... amazing sky.. I love your comp and how you placed the main to the left.. :) enjoy your company!!!! after reading the notes I hope you guys saved up some serious cash!! lol


Tricia

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  • korbee Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Note Writer [C: 1396 W: 0 N: 1693] (13687)
  • [2007-09-06 13:35]
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Prachtige molen en verhaal Hans,helaas heb ik zelf voor een zo een uitgebreide note schrijven geen tijd,werk gezin huishouden enz...ik ben al blijk dat ik iedere dag een foto kan bewerken en posten.....
jan

Hi Hans, have had to check the image again cos it took so long to read the notes!LOL

Nice image with good composition, DOF, colours and sharpness, I'm feeling a little bit let down tonight by the quality of images on T/L so this is a breath of fresh air. TFS


Dean.

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  • c_rapp Gold Star Critiquer/Silver Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 955 W: 20 N: 1282] (7282)
  • [2007-09-06 18:10]

Agreeing with koh this is postcard perfection! Beautifully taken. Great pov. TFS
Christan

Hello Hans,
It must be so wonderful to walk in your country and see these beautiful wind mills, I like them so much more then the big huge things that litter our landscapes here. Your POV is perfect, and the color as well. TFS this beauty!
Donna:o)

These 'typical Dutch' mills always look so attractive Hans.. such a beautiful place, excellent colours and sharpness.. note is very informative too, thanks

aK

Very good composition . I like the windmill under this cloudy sky. Well done.
Best wishes,
Achim

Hai Hans,
Ja dit is inderdaad typisch Hollands,
Heerlijk toch?
Gr, Jacqueline

Hello Hans,
Now this is a real Dutch treat, I mean, well, um, now I'm confused.
Nice POV, being able to see the back of this working windmill.
Gorgeous greens and blues, and good contrast.
All the best,
Karen

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  • jawa Gold Star Critiquer [C: 1372 W: 0 N: 1] (12003)
  • [2007-09-07 2:27]

Hallo Hans
Hollandser kan niet.
Wel mooi in beeld gebracht.
Gr Jos

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  • milas Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 2740 W: 412 N: 2987] (32929)
  • [2007-09-07 5:18]

Merhaba Hans,
Nice shot, nice POV, good colours and sharpness, with an interesting note.
Tfs
Selamlar

you know, I think my monitor at work is too low...because at home your pics look fine...not too dark..... so ignore past critiques! HAHAA! Wonderful typical Dutch shot, LOVE it! Nothing like pics of the old hometown! Nice shot Hansie!
Clammitteee......**hic** I'll be back with Tequila Shot.
***Hey, I ain't no feminazi...I'll take a FREE dinner anytime! HAHAHAR!

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  • Ejtaan Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 981 W: 101 N: 2260] (11411)
  • [2007-09-07 6:27]

hhahahahahahah wat een uitleg zeg!

maar eh... mooi plaatje hoor Hans..
Als de boeken van China (eindelijk) klaar zijn dan gaan we een weekend naar Deventer toe. Daar wonen een neef en nicht van mijn ouders...
gezellig ff bijkletsen en een rondje door de stad... eens kijken of er nog iets leuks te schieten valt!

Afijn, prachtig plaatje. Met name de sloot spreekt mij wel aan, maar ik heb iets met slootkantjes en watertjes.... prachtig gewoon.

Gr.,
Anneke

Hoi Hans,

Typical Dutch indeed :-)
En een prachtige foto heb je hier weer gemaakt, het lijkt wel een ansichtkaart. Erg mooi, de molen, de kleuren, je compositie, ik vind het een plaatje, bedankt!

Groetjes, Nel

Hi Hans, wonderful shot, good ratio of land and sky, perhaps just a tad of noise in the sky. Your first date then, did you 'go Dutch?' ;) TFS

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  • Kiwis Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Note Writer [C: 1273 W: 0 N: 189] (13118)
  • [2007-09-07 10:27]

Hello Hans,
Wow, Great shot! A post card! Great colors and light. I like it. Thanks
Best regards
Diane

Good evening,
it's true a landscape typically dutch that you to discover as from tomorrow, all those which will come to join you, you and John.
Go made us of beautiful photographs like this one the friends. One will dream that one is with you. From tomorrow, we will live per hour of the Netherlands. Be happy and benefit well from these moments, I trust you for that.
Amitiés de Cokky, good week-end !

Amazing shot
I like this beatifull colours and composition
very well done
Toba

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  • pdp Gold Star Critiquer [C: 110 W: 39 N: 123] (538)
  • [2007-10-07 15:02]

Hello Hans, this IS a typical Dutch scene like the many we would see in books as children. I love the composition here - very nice. I do wonder if there is a little too much saturation - especually in the green. Apart from that point it's great. As you called it Typical Dutch I did a WS to make it look Old Typical Dutch! I hope you like it.

MASTERPIECE AS USUAL ................ BOBAN.

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