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Three artichokes and the DOF

Three artichokes and the DOF
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Copyright: Hans Spruijt (GreenBaron) Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 3009 W: 919 N: 12213] (52777)
Genre: Places
Medium: Color
Date Taken: 2008-07-26
Categories: Nature, Experimental
Camera: Nikon D70s, Sigma 18-50 3.5-5.6 DC, Hitachi4GBMicrodrive, 58mm UV
Exposure: f/5.6, 1/750 seconds
More Photo Info: [view]
Photo Version: Original Version, Workshop
Date Submitted: 2008-11-02 4:51
Viewed: 1735
Points: 62
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Three artichokes and the DOF

A little experiment here. With a relative small f-stop of f/5.6 I took a shot of these three artichokes with the castle of Muiden in the background. Maybe I should have taken an even smaller f-stop even smaller f-stop e.g. f/3.8

What is your opinion?

PP work: Adjusted brightness, contrast and saturation slightly, cropped, resized and sharpened. Add frame.

philwalters, Frieda, kokos101, bucanas, wilth, milas, boreocypriensis, WMcK, dareco, Margy, shelbeesmom, azaf1, SunToucher, Hendrika has marked this note useful
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a good outcome from your experiment here, Hans.
i think a much smaller f-stop would definitely give a much more blurred image of the castle, losing out it's structural shape. just IMHO.


hello Hans ,

La photo est superbe , il est vrai qu'on aurait pu être tenté de "flouter" davantage le fond mais cela aurait rendu le château "ombrageux" ...

difficile de se positionner ....pour ma part j'aime beaucoup.


Hi Hans. What I do for shots like this is to take the shot three times, one at each of my three widest aperture settings, for example 2.8, 4 and 5.6. Then view on our computer and decide which is best. One of the great advantages of the digital age, if its not what you want, delete it. Thanks for sharing and opening what I hope will be an interesting discussion.

Regards Phil.

hello hans!
great composition with this flower in FG and castle in BG, i like it.
wonderful colors.

Hallo Hans,
Een mooi experiment met het Muiderslot.
De artisjokken vind ik een beetje dominant,maar dat was natuurlijk je bedoeling.
Wat nieuws proberen is ook leuk,vooral het afwachten hoe mensen er op reageren.
Erg leuk gedaan!

Hi Hans,
Good composition, nice efect,well done.
Best regards,

Zou niks aan het diafragma veranderen Hans :
nu is toch nog herkenbaar én toch wazig.
( De achtergrond lijkt wel geschilderd )

De belichting lijkt het sprookjesachtig ook te ondersteunen.
Toch op mijn monitor ...

Dat bijtje, uiterst rechts, dàt vind ik een mooie " toets " !

TFS Hans

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  • korbee Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Note Writer [C: 1483 W: 0 N: 1852] (14495)
  • [2008-11-02 7:18]

Een meesterlijke manier om de treurigheid rondom het slot te maskeren,ik vind dit een zeer goede manier van composeren,het kasteel mooi onscherp maar het speelt toch en belangrijke rol in de foto Hans.
Im proud of you my dear fellow;)

This result is beautiful, Hans,
and as a bonus you also catched a flying bee ;-) It's a wonderful place where you made the shot, also a perfect idea to place the castle behind these impressive artichokes.
Sabine - wishnugaruda

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  • wilth Gold Star Critiquer/Silver Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 374 W: 43 N: 520] (2028)
  • [2008-11-02 8:33]

My opinion is that this is about right, smaller numeric f-stop would have made the background much softer but, for me, more distracting.
Here the castle is still pretty recognizable, so I don't have to spend time guessing yet the FG is SO sharp that it still catches the eye. In this manner it looks three dimensional. :o)
i say good job, nicely composed and presented.

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  • milas Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 2841 W: 398 N: 3076] (34114)
  • [2008-11-02 10:04]

merhaba dear Hans..
beautiful comp..and focus..asuperb colors and detail..bravo..SELAMLAR

Hi Hans, what a great 3-D effect selection with a proper aperture. Great scenery in all around.
TFS and cheers,


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  • Doudou Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Note Writer [C: 667 W: 2 N: 1533] (8802)
  • [2008-11-02 10:40]

Bonsoir Hans,

Très intéressante ta composition, les fleurs d'artichaut donnent beaucoup de profondeur à ta composition comme une image en haute définition, c'est du joli travail!!
Amitiés et bonne semaine

Wow... wat een prachtige boeket... en wat een prachtige bokeh! hahhahahaahah

ok.. nu ff serieus: mooie DOF (klinkt ff anders, maar het is hetzelfde) echt een top plaat!
Zelfs compleet met een bij op de bloem van de artichock.... of is het nou toch gewoon een distel?

enniewee... 'n mooie heldere plaat met veel details, zelfs in de achtergrond.

Ennie.......... wee

I like the clarity in the artichokes and the vivid colours but overall I find the picture far too cluttered - so perhaps a small f-stop with a lot more blur in the background would have produced a better overall picture? A nice idea for an experiment but I'm not sure the end product is up to your normal standard of picture :-(
Thanks for sharing

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  • WMcK Gold Star Critiquer/Silver Workshop Editor [C: 663 W: 11 N: 1718] (6837)
  • [2008-11-02 14:08]

Well Mr. GB, to me this has a real three dimensional look to it. It is a amazing Pov. Should you have blurred the castle more? Personally I don’t think so. This feels like just the right amount of blur to give it the feel. It is easily recognized, yet doesn’t take the focus off the plants. I like it.
Warmest Regards

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  • dareco Gold Star Critiquer/Silver Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 1672 W: 16 N: 832] (15528)
  • [2008-11-02 15:23]

I love these plants in the fg and the detail and colors are superb! A beautiful bg scene as well. TFS

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  • Margy Gold Star Critiquer [C: 103 W: 6 N: 221] (2520)
  • [2008-11-02 16:07]

Hallo Hans,

Ik heb nog wel niet zoveel kennis en ervaring maar voor mij is dit een geweldig goed gelukt experiment. De prachig bloeiende artisjokken mooi totaal scherp tegen het wazige slot, toch herkenbaar op de achtergrond.
De bij op de bloem is een extraatje.
Erg mooi!

Groetjes, Marga

I LOVE what you have done here Hansie! Really beautiful greens and purples! The castle in the BG is SO nice, abd really adds extra to the flowers! You even got a BUG on the top right flower! Excellent work on the DOF here! I love shots like this! excellent experiment!

hi hans, i think the the 5.6 was perfect, i really like this technique as one still see whats in behind but we focus on some park or garden details up front, it just gos to show we photographers when we get creative have many options, i am glad you posted this as people can really learn from it,
thanks,take care,

This is an excellent shot! Sharp, correct exposure, beautiful composition. I like the blur background. Well done.
Best wishes,

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  • Janice Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 3204 W: 262 N: 7964] (34497)
  • [2008-11-03 1:08]

Very nicely captured Hans. Those artichoke stand out so well against the castle in the BG. And you even caught a bee in flight too.
The smaller f-stop would soften the castle, but to me this is fine,as I quite enjoy seeing it and the amazing garden.

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  • azaf1 Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 733 W: 61 N: 1257] (7137)
  • [2008-11-03 5:30]

Hi Hans
I think a bit more blurred bg wouldn't be bad. As for the rest it's just great in sharp detai;ls and vivid colors

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  • Mitra Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor [C: 1153 W: 70 N: 1116] (16)
  • [2008-11-03 7:39]

great composition with this flower in FG and castle in BG. I love it. Well done.

Wow, those plants look really huge, like in Gulliver's Travels ;-)
I would try f/32 for example ... to have both front and back planes in focus.

I've been testing my new lens with f/2.8 and f/32, and the results came out pretty surprising, well to me, theory is one thing, but once you try something out in practice you won't understand how and why something works the way it does.


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  • timtim Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 934 W: 105 N: 608] (10187)
  • [2008-11-03 19:11]

Like the DOF it makes the forground stand out without losing to much details in BG.
great job

  • jawa Gold Star Critiquer [C: 1273 W: 0 N: 1] (12005)
  • [2008-11-04 4:52]

Hallo Hans
de artichoken staan er prima op maar ik had ze nog wat meer los van de achtergrond gezien.
Maar dat is persoonlijk.
Tocht een heel knappe foto.
Gr Jos

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  • RSK Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 1089 W: 589 N: 1943] (14753)
  • [2008-11-04 9:00]

Hi Hans,I like this result,how often does one have the opportunity to have a castle in the background to artichokes?
The castle is blurred enough,so as not to dominate the scene, but rather to add a definate atmosphere to it.You have made these artichokes look nearly as regal as the "Thistle":)


Hoi Hans,
Ik heb wel ff moeten nadenken over deze foto. Aan de eene kant heeft die zeker iets bijzonders, aan de andere kant mis ik iets. Maar, ik weet nog steeds niet wat.
Ik denk dat het idee van een wazige achtergrond maar toch herkenbaar zeker is gelukt. Afhankelijk van je afstand van de bloemen krijg je een andere effect. Ik vind het zeker een leuk een bijzonder experiment, en ik denk dat het doel zeker bereikt is.
Ik zag dat de histogram een leegte had aan de highlight kant. Ik heb deze in een WS aangepast om te laten zien dat de foto daardoor wat beter belicht wordt.

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  • EOSF1 Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 1977 W: 301 N: 3060] (26902)
  • [2008-11-04 11:28]

Nice shot and experiment Hans, I think at 5.6 it did the job but you could have tried at different appertures just to see. Well done!


Hi Hans,

Waarom zou je een "smaller F stop" willen hebben, zou je het kasteel vager willen?
Maakt vast niet super veel uit, ligt eraan waar jij de focus legt en zo is hij voor mij prettig want het kasteel is te mooi om helemaal wazig te presenteren. Dus:
net genoeg kasteel zichtbaar als stijlvolle achtergrond voor deze bijzondere bloemen.
Wat ik wel vind, is dat de wolken wat grijzig overkomen, heb je een filter gebruikt?

Goed, dat was dus mijn opinie,

prettig weekend,


Hi Hans
Very nicely captured

Excellent ! I like a lot the compo-the three focused artichokes in the FG, the blurred castle and park in the BG. Very effective experiment.


Bonsoir Hans
Un cadrage original avec ces chardons au premier plan,c'est bien vu et bien fait.
bonne soirée

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